Same form, but one system GPFs...?

Kenneth,

What is the OS's on the other PC's that work without a GPF?


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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:09:34 -0500, "Rodney Wise"
wrote:

>Kenneth,
>
>What is the OS's on the other PC's that work without a GPF?

Hi Rodney,

The GPFs are on a Win 2000 Pro box.

The form runs properly on a Win XP Pro box.

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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:54:53 -0500, Kenneth
wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:09:34 -0500, "Rodney Wise"
> wrote:
>
>>Kenneth,
>>
>>What is the OS's on the other PC's that work without a GPF?
>
>Hi Rodney,
>
>The GPFs are on a Win 2000 Pro box.
>
>The form runs properly on a Win XP Pro box.
>
>Thanks again,

Hi again Rodney,

Moments after posting above, I realized that I had another
Win 2000 Pro system available on our Lan.

I tested the form on that system, and it ran properly, that
is, with no GPFs...

So it would appear that the problem is machine specific,
rather than OS specific.

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Kenneth,

Check out the BDE settings for the 2K PC that runs OK and see if they are
different on the one that doesn't and make them the same.

Especially the setting for "SHAREDMEMLOCATION".


If that doesn't work, try changing the SHAREMEMLOCATION to 6BDE


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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:29:44 -0500, "Rodney Wise"
wrote:

>Kenneth,
>
>Check out the BDE settings for the 2K PC that runs OK and see if they are
>different on the one that doesn't and make them the same.
>
>Especially the setting for "SHAREDMEMLOCATION".
>
>
>If that doesn't work, try changing the SHAREMEMLOCATION to 6BDE

Hi again,

Here is the current situation:

I checked the Win 2000 Pro system that has the problem and
its BDE settings were exactly the same as those on the XP
system that works properly.

After seeing that, I tried the 6BDE entry you had suggested,
but the problem remained. I then removed the new entry and
left the BDE settings as they were.

Next, I looked at the BDE settings on the Win 2000 box on
which the form works properly.

Those settings are NOT the same as on the offending system
(also Win 2000 Pro.)

On the machine with the problem I see:

MaxBufferSize = 16384
MinBufferSize = 8192

but on the second Win 2000 system (where the form runs
properly), I see:

MaxBufferSize = 2048
MinBufferSize = 128

Those two systems are not in the same building so I won't
have the opportunity to modify the problem machine to match
the good one this evening, but I can certainly do it
tomorrow.

Also, I do have a Dr. Watson error, but apparently left it
in my office, so that will have to wait for morning.

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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:55:16 -0500, Kenneth
wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:29:44 -0500, "Rodney Wise"
> wrote:
>
>>Kenneth,
>>
>>Check out the BDE settings for the 2K PC that runs OK and see if they are
>>different on the one that doesn't and make them the same.
>>
>>Especially the setting for "SHAREDMEMLOCATION".
>>
>>
>>If that doesn't work, try changing the SHAREMEMLOCATION to 6BDE
>
>Hi again,
>
>Here is the current situation:
>
>I checked the Win 2000 Pro system that has the problem and
>its BDE settings were exactly the same as those on the XP
>system that works properly.
>
>After seeing that, I tried the 6BDE entry you had suggested,
>but the problem remained. I then removed the new entry and
>left the BDE settings as they were.
>
>Next, I looked at the BDE settings on the Win 2000 box on
>which the form works properly.
>
>Those settings are NOT the same as on the offending system
>(also Win 2000 Pro.)
>
>On the machine with the problem I see:
>
>MaxBufferSize = 16384
>MinBufferSize = 8192
>
>but on the second Win 2000 system (where the form runs
>properly), I see:
>
>MaxBufferSize = 2048
>MinBufferSize = 128
>
>Those two systems are not in the same building so I won't
>have the opportunity to modify the problem machine to match
>the good one this evening, but I can certainly do it
>tomorrow.
>
>Also, I do have a Dr. Watson error, but apparently left it
>in my office, so that will have to wait for morning.
>
>Thanks again for any further help,

Hi again Rodney,

I just took the brief hike to the office...

I modified the BDE settings on the broken Win 2000 machine
to match the settings on the Win 2000 system that works
properly.

That did not correct the error, and so, I went back to the
settings I had originally.

Because with the new settings, I got the GPF again, it
generated a new Dr. Watson error, and it was identical to
the earlier error I mentioned:

"The exception generated was c0000005 at address 4CE1036B
(OsLdMBRisCJKKana)"

That means less than nothing to me. Might it point you is
some useful direction?

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P9...

Full or Runtime?

What minor version, and is the version the exact same for both
systems?

"All of a sudden" usually points to a Windows update, in my
experience.

Or to a software install that should be totally innocuous, but which
kills something within Paradox.

Or even a new printer installed on the problem system.

Does the operator of the problem system play games on the computer?

I think you said the form resides on the server. Does it (the form)
USE libraries or any other file type that are local to each computer?

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Hi Tony,

Please see my responses inline below...


On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:43:57 -0700, "Tony McGuire"
wrote:

>
>P9...
>
>Full or Runtime?

Full version.

>
>What minor version, and is the version the exact same for both
>systems?

I will have that in the morning, but I am quite certain that
the versions are exactly the same on all boxes.

>
>"All of a sudden" usually points to a Windows update, in my
>experience.
>
>Or to a software install that should be totally innocuous, but which
>kills something within Paradox.

There were no modifications of the faulty system (in either
sense you describe.) Also, we image these systems frequently
and have returned to an image that was created when the
system had a clean installation of Windows about two months
ago. That image ran the Paradox form perfectly for those
many weeks. Now, having gone back to that image, we have the
problem.

>
>Or even a new printer installed on the problem system.

Nope... Nothing new on the hardware side.
>
>Does the operator of the problem system play games on the computer?
>

No games at all.

>I think you said the form resides on the server. Does it (the form)
>USE libraries or any other file type that are local to each computer?

The BDE configuration is local...

The form uses nothing that is local. All tables, libraries,
etc. are on the server. (This is, by the way, a "nominal"
server in that it also runs a non-server version of Windows
(I believe 2000 Pro) on our peer to peer lan of six boxes.
The "server" is not used as a workstation.

All that said, is there any chance that flaky memory on the
problem system could cause the problem I have described?

I am currently running Memtest+ and by morning it will have
about 15 hours on the clock, but at last check, it shows no
errors.

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> All that said, is there any chance that flaky memory on the
> problem system could cause the problem I have described?


That messes with only one form in only Paradox? I suppose it could
happen, but...


Is the form near, or over, 1MB in size?



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Kenneth,

The Dr. Watson error message means nothing to me too.

Sometimes, if a Paradox Form or Library was compiled and saved with the
"Compiler Warnings" and/or "Compile with Debug" options checked... you can
experience erratic errors or GPF errors. Try opening the Form and or
Libraries it calls in Design Mode and check if these options are checked.
If they are checked then uncheck them then compile the file again and save
it. Do this for the Form and any Libraries that it might open.

If that doesn't solve the problem and no one else jumps in with another
idea... then I would consider the idea that possibly there is a corrupt
file(s) within either the Paradox installation or the Windows OS
installation.... or you are experiencing an intermittent hardware failure.

I would first consider the easiest approach by removing Paradox 100% from
the PC then re-installing it from scratch. Make sure to add any updated
Service Packs to Paradox after re-installing it and reconfigure the BDE so
it's identical to other PC's (of the same OS) that are known to work. Make
sure that access rights are set high enough for the required Paradox
directories.

If that doesn't fix it, I'd then consider the idea that the Windows OS might
have corrupt files and possibly re-install it... The best results is to
reformat the drive and install Windows from scratch... This is a "Drastic
Action" and may require considerable time and pose the possible loss of
critical programs and data. You will need to get ALL the service updates
for Windows from MS, etc. etc... (

Before you do any of these things... hopefully someone else here will jump
in with a less aggressive solution and save you the headaches involved with
my suggestions.

My reasoning is this... if all things are equal (the PC's settings are
identical to working PC's with the same OS) and you are still getting GPF
errors on the one PC... then the problem is either corrupted files or
failing Hardware.

An example of failing hardware.... I've seen problems like this because of
a failing CPU fan... The fan was still spinning, but not fast enough to
keep the temperature of the CPU cool enough... The over heated CPU caused
error messages and corrupted file writes to the HD. After replacing the
fan, the errors went away.... but the OS files by that time were minced
meat... I had to re-install the OS. My suspicions were directed towards
the CPU fan after I noticed the audible sound of its failing bearings.

For your sake... hopefully someone else here has a better idea and you will
not be faced with re-installing Windows.


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Kenneth,

> "The exception generated was c0000005 at address 4CE1036B
> (OsLdMBRisCJKKana)"

That c0000005 error is a fairly common one, and sometimes difficult to
identify exactly, and, therefore, to eradicate. I've seen it!

I suggest some coffee... and Google on it...

See how MEMTEST goes, but, I've seen cases with memory that passed
MEMTEST, but was not suitable for the motherboard, and failed randomly
during normal (stressful) use of the PC. Cause: the RAM sticks were
"buffered", and the MB was designed for non-buffered. With high
activity, the actual buffering ICs heated, and caused nasty problems.

Any chance you have "identical" PCs, whereby you could swap around the
memory sticks?

Try killing all unwanted services before running the PDox app, in case
some other "app" is conflicting with your form.

Check that all updates have been applied to the OS itself.

What about local disk-space?. I think c0000005 sometime triggers on low
free-space.

Can't think of anythin' else right now!

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Kenneth,

Since you went back to a system-image of a time when all worked fine,
you should not be dealing with a paradox, bde or windows problem. The
logical conclusion would be, that you are either dealing with a hardware
problem in either the PC itself or it's connection to the network.

But a problem in that area, that only influences 1 form seems rather
unlikely. Unless there is something special about that form, that makes
it trigger the problem, where the others don't. So is there anything
specific about that form, that really makes it stand out from the
others? Does it access local- and/or network files or tables, that the
other forms don't? Does it access a larger number of tables; is it much
larger in size; does it use libraries, that the others don't; etc.

If such things are not the case, then a hardware problem remains rather
unlikely. Then the next best place to look, would be the server or
networksettings; could there be anything on there, that restrict this
specific PC in a way that the other PC's are not restricted?

Kind regards
Jan Stegehuis


Kenneth schreef:
> Hi Tony,
>
> Please see my responses inline below...
>
>
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:43:57 -0700, "Tony McGuire"
> wrote:
>
>> P9...
>>
>> Full or Runtime?
>
> Full version.
>
>> What minor version, and is the version the exact same for both
>> systems?
>
> I will have that in the morning, but I am quite certain that
> the versions are exactly the same on all boxes.
>
>> "All of a sudden" usually points to a Windows update, in my
>> experience.
>>
>> Or to a software install that should be totally innocuous, but which
>> kills something within Paradox.
>
> There were no modifications of the faulty system (in either
> sense you describe.) Also, we image these systems frequently
> and have returned to an image that was created when the
> system had a clean installation of Windows about two months
> ago. That image ran the Paradox form perfectly for those
> many weeks. Now, having gone back to that image, we have the
> problem.
>
>> Or even a new printer installed on the problem system.
>
> Nope... Nothing new on the hardware side.
>> Does the operator of the problem system play games on the computer?
>>
>
> No games at all.
>
>> I think you said the form resides on the server. Does it (the form)
>> USE libraries or any other file type that are local to each computer?
>
> The BDE configuration is local...
>
> The form uses nothing that is local. All tables, libraries,
> etc. are on the server. (This is, by the way, a "nominal"
> server in that it also runs a non-server version of Windows
> (I believe 2000 Pro) on our peer to peer lan of six boxes.
> The "server" is not used as a workstation.
>
> All that said, is there any chance that flaky memory on the
> problem system could cause the problem I have described?
>
> I am currently running Memtest+ and by morning it will have
> about 15 hours on the clock, but at last check, it shows no
> errors.
>
> Thanks for any further help,
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:59:14 +0100, Jan Stegehuis
wrote:

>Kenneth,
>
>Since you went back to a system-image of a time when all worked fine,
>you should not be dealing with a paradox, bde or windows problem. The
>logical conclusion would be, that you are either dealing with a hardware
>problem in either the PC itself or it's connection to the network.
>
>But a problem in that area, that only influences 1 form seems rather
>unlikely. Unless there is something special about that form, that makes
>it trigger the problem, where the others don't. So is there anything
>specific about that form, that really makes it stand out from the
>others? Does it access local- and/or network files or tables, that the
>other forms don't? Does it access a larger number of tables; is it much
>larger in size; does it use libraries, that the others don't; etc.
>
>If such things are not the case, then a hardware problem remains rather
>unlikely. Then the next best place to look, would be the server or
>networksettings; could there be anything on there, that restrict this
>specific PC in a way that the other PC's are not restricted?
>
>Kind regards
>Jan Stegehuis
>

Hi Jan,

The form is a very simple one, and works with only one
table.

I have run Memtest+ for just over 14 hours with no errors.

There is nothing in the networking that I can see as having
any effect.

So, for right now, I think I will re-install Paradox on the
system with the problem to see if that helps.

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