What is so special about PHP?

On 26 Oct 2004 14:16:21 -0700, fitznab RemoveThis @hotmail.com wrote:

 >OK why use PHP? I know a little bit of Coldfusion from a class I'm
 >taking for my degree. I finished it up and decided I would write a
 >version in PHP because a lot of employers want knowledge of PHP. After
 >working with PHP a bit I wonder, WHY?

Because it is free and so is the entire server environment to host
php/mysql sites. Also it's robust, flexible and can easily tap into
powerful unix based features.

 >For data retrieval Coldfusion takes less code.
 >Yes you have to pay for Coldfusion but the cost should be offset by
 >easier code and faster development time.
 >The web hosts sites I have looked at charge the same for either
 >technology.
 >
 >Maybe I just have not gotten into the real hard-core part of PHP. Can
 >some one tell me what I'm missing?

I don't get it either. Even though i like php, i don't think it makes
much sense to use it from a business point of view. Not until someone
creates a visual developer environment for it. It's just like people
creating entire htmp/xml sites with a text editor losing out against
visual development tools like dreamweaver. In the end the person who
creates the most code in the shortest amount of time will win. And
even if the fast method will produce code of less quality it will
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Rick D. wrote:
 >
 > It's just like people creating entire htmp/xml sites with a text editor
 > losing out against
 > visual development tools like dreamweaver. In the end the person who
 > creates the most code in the shortest amount of time will win. And
 > even if the fast method will produce code of less quality it will
 > still win in most cases.

Not necessarily. I write my code by hand -- I mean, I use an editor with
syntax highlighting, but certainly not WYSIWYG (or not what you get as the
case may be). I've done enough development to have my own html/css/php code
library, to be familiar enough with the technologies that I can produce
sites as rapidly as anyone, except my code is lean, clean, compliant and,
most importantly, does exactly what *I* think it should do, not what the
developer of some software tool thinks it should do. I do use RAD tools for
my software development (Delphi) however.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Rick D. wrote:

On 26 Oct 2004 14:16:21 -0700, fitznab RemoveThis @hotmail.com wrote: I don't get it either. Even though i like php, i don't think it makes much sense to use it from a business point of view. Not until someone creates a visual developer environment for it. It's just like people creating entire htmp/xml sites with a text editor losing out against visual development tools like dreamweaver.

Rick, is not as bad as writing php with text editor. You can use IDE's- I use Zend IDE. I have experience with both ASP and PHP, and Zend IDE is a lot nicer than Visual InterDev for ASP (if anyone cares).
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 > "Rick D." wrote:
  > > On 26 Oct 2004 14:16:21 -0700, fitznab DeleteThis @hotmail.com wrote:
  > >
  > > I don't get it either. Even though i like php, i don't
  > > think it makes
  > > much sense to use it from a business point of view. Not until
 > someone
  > > creates a visual developer environment for it. It's just like
  > > people
  > > creating entire htmp/xml sites with a text editor losing out
 > against
  > > visual development tools like dreamweaver.
 >
 > Rick, is not as bad as writing php with text editor. You can use
 > IDE's- I use Zend IDE. I have experience with both ASP and PHP, and
 > Zend IDE is a lot nicer than Visual InterDev for ASP (if anyone
 > cares).
 >
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I'm testing a new Visual Studio add-on which provides PHP support. It's
called vs.php .I'll post some feedback once I've had a good chance to use
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codeMonkey2 wrote:

"steve" <UseLinkToEmail.RemoveThis@dbForumz.com> wrote in message news:41801086$1_5@alt.athenanews.com... > "Rick D." wrote: > > On 26 Oct 2004 14:16:21 -0700, fitznab.RemoveThis@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > I don't get it either. Even though i like php, i don't > > think it makes > > much sense to use it from a business point of view. Not until > someone > > creates a visual developer environment for it. It's just like > > people > > creating entire htmp/xml sites with a text editor losing out > against > > visual development tools like dreamweaver. > > Rick, is not as bad as writing php with text editor. You can use > IDE's- I use Zend IDE. I have experience with both ASP and PHP, and > Zend IDE is a lot nicer than Visual InterDev for ASP (if anyone > cares). > > -- > http://www.dbForumz.com/ This article was posted by author's request > Articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards > Topic URL: http://www.dbForumz.com/PHP-special-ftopict164545.html > Visit Topic URL to contact author (reg. req'd). Report abuse: http://www.dbForumz.com/eform.php?p=552608 I'm testing a new Visual Studio add-on which provides PHP support. It's called vs.php .I'll post some feedback once I've had a good chance to use it.

I don't know the benefit of a VS add-on, but please let us know. Zend seems to work just fine for me. IMHO add-on's are usually not as good as the native solutions, but I could be surprised, so let us know.
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