Ingres Database 9.2 released (yes, 9.2--it's a long story...

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 >> Stay informed about: Ingres Database 9.2 released (yes, 9.2--it's a long story... 

On Nov 19, 7:23 am, "Mark R. Winston"
wrote:
> Roy Hann wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > My only teansy-weansy quibble is that it is now offically called Ingres
> > Database 9.2.  It ain't a database.  It's a DBMS.  Big difference..   Oh
> > well, it's a small price to pay for getting rid of that (literally)
> > retarded year designation from the name, I guess.  
>
> Yeah, that's an unfortunate misuse of the term "database" applied to the
> DBMS that's all too common.  I can concede "laptop" vs. "notebook"
> computer, but I can't swallow "database" where it should be DBMS.  I
> work in an environment that utilizes Microsoft SQL Server and they've
> devolved to not just referring to a DBMS as a "database", but some think
> that all "database" are "SQL Server", or just "SQL".  Maddening.
>

But MS still refers to sql server as a RDBMS instead of DBMS. As if
anyone there knows what the R part is:)

www.beyondsql.blogspot.com
 >> Stay informed about: Ingres Database 9.2 released (yes, 9.2--it's a long story... 

wrote:

> On Nov 19, 7:23 am, "Mark R. Winston"
> wrote:
>> Roy Hann wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> > My only teansy-weansy quibble is that it is now offically called Ingres
>> > Database 9.2.  It ain't a database.  It's a DBMS.  Big difference.   Oh
>> > well, it's a small price to pay for getting rid of that (literally)
>> > retarded year designation from the name, I guess.  
>>
>> Yeah, that's an unfortunate misuse of the term "database" applied to the
>> DBMS that's all too common.  I can concede "laptop" vs. "notebook"
>> computer, but I can't swallow "database" where it should be DBMS.  I
>> work in an environment that utilizes Microsoft SQL Server and they've
>> devolved to not just referring to a DBMS as a "database", but some think
>> that all "database" are "SQL Server", or just "SQL".  Maddening.
>>
>
> But MS still refers to sql server as a RDBMS instead of DBMS. As if
> anyone there knows what the R part is:)

The R is bogus anyway. Nobody--least of all MS--sells an RDBMS; they're
all SQL DBMSs. Again, a big difference.

But while we're on this pedantic streak, I have noticed in the last few
years that end-users (or at least their managers) use the term
"database" when they mean "application". This is actually quite
important because a couple of times when doing bids and proposals we've
realized too late that we've been talking at cross-purposes with the
customer.

Personally I'd be glad to see the word "database" completely abolished.

--
Roy

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 >> Stay informed about: Ingres Database 9.2 released (yes, 9.2--it's a long story... 

On Nov 20, 2:14 am, Roy Hann wrote:
> The R is bogus anyway. Nobody--least of all MS--sells an RDBMS; they're
> all SQL DBMSs. Again, a big difference.

> But while we're on this pedantic streak, ...

You may be on to something here. The relational community does write
with a pedantic slant. After all, if you're trying to describe the
science of data it's hardly surprising. But I fear they overlook the
idea that those in their target audience are not yet scientists. To
keep their interest perhaps a more creative and entertaining style is
warranted without compromising the key concepts. I thus describe some
of my own work:) Recently while talking to some net folks about
Dataphor I referred to it as a RAD tool, R(elational) A(ccelerator) D
(evelopment). As opposed to sql (Sql Server) which is a R(apid) D(e-
acceleration) D(evelopment) tool. (This was well received:) Somewhat
sophomoric but entertaining. Perhaps you have to give users something
other than relvars to hang their tables on:)

> Personally I'd be glad to see the word "database" completely abolished.

I tend towards this too. Just shorten it to "data". Maybe there is no
basis, nor utility in the rest of it:)

best,
steve dassin

Blogging about smashing data with Dataphor
www.beyondsql.blogspot.com
 >> Stay informed about: Ingres Database 9.2 released (yes, 9.2--it's a long story... 

Roy Hann escreveu:
> Better get over to www.ingres.com and download a copy. Looks like it
> has lots of good stuff in it.
>
> Some of my favorites are:
>
> - better default configuration
> - incremental rollforward (to a standby database)
> - cached dynamic cursor query plans
> - IPM and iimonitor now display cursor definitions (yay!!)
>
> My only teansy-weansy quibble is that it is now offically called Ingres
> Database 9.2. It ain't a database. It's a DBMS. Big difference. Oh
> well, it's a small price to pay for getting rid of that (literally)
> retarded year designation from the name, I guess.
>
> If you want to know how come it's 9.2, Emma has blogged about it.
>

Just for Solaris ? When linux x86_64 comes out ?

--
Regards,

Thiago Zerbinato
Oracle/Ingres DBA
Ribeirao Preto/SP
Brazil
 >> Stay informed about: Ingres Database 9.2 released (yes, 9.2--it's a long story...