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Davorin Kremenjas

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:30 am
Post subject: IDS10 stability VS IDS11 features (aka "for IBM")
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Right,

probably a very lame try to imitate Gumby, but I'll give it a try Smile

I'd like to hear you opinions on this topic, here is mine.

IDS11.50 is around for a good deal time now, _loads_ of new features.
I can see a lot of them making my DBA life easier so I'm looking to
upgrade reasonably soon.

On the other hand, running IDS 10.FC8(ish) very stable in production
with all HDR/ER goodies I'm a happy man. Also, I'm doing regular
upgrades every time a new patch comes out (looking to roll out
IDS10.FC9W2 in the next few weeks on all prod instances). But, every
time I read the release notes/bug fix lists they scare the s**t out of
me. Too many crashes for my taste for (at least seemingly, R&D please
don't get offended now) trivial reasons (update stats or whatever).

This makes me conclude the next: IDS10 support is ending in less than
2 years (30 Sep 2010 according to IBM website) wouldn't it be nice to
"freeze" IDS10 code and work ONLY on bug fixes? Whoever wants to trade-
off features for stability, great, here's 11.50, just upgrade. For the
rest of us, we'd like to sleep well Smile And in two years time, I'm sure
v11.50 will be just as stable as v10 is now, we'll have vNext too, so
the whole story can be repeated.

Does this make any sense to the rest of you? Or am I just being too
naive? (Now I know at least the Clown will answer Surprised))

Cheers

Davorin

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TBP

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:25 am
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Davorin Kremenjas wrote:
> Right,
>
> probably a very lame try to imitate Gumby, but I'll give it a try Smile
>
> I'd like to hear you opinions on this topic, here is mine.
>
> IDS11.50 is around for a good deal time now, _loads_ of new features.
> I can see a lot of them making my DBA life easier so I'm looking to
> upgrade reasonably soon.
>
> On the other hand, running IDS 10.FC8(ish) very stable in production
> with all HDR/ER goodies I'm a happy man. Also, I'm doing regular
> upgrades every time a new patch comes out (looking to roll out
> IDS10.FC9W2 in the next few weeks on all prod instances). But, every
> time I read the release notes/bug fix lists they scare the s**t out of
> me. Too many crashes for my taste for (at least seemingly, R&D please
> don't get offended now) trivial reasons (update stats or whatever).
>
> This makes me conclude the next: IDS10 support is ending in less than
> 2 years (30 Sep 2010 according to IBM website) wouldn't it be nice to
> "freeze" IDS10 code and work ONLY on bug fixes? Whoever wants to trade-
> off features for stability, great, here's 11.50, just upgrade. For the
> rest of us, we'd like to sleep well Smile And in two years time, I'm sure
> v11.50 will be just as stable as v10 is now, we'll have vNext too, so
> the whole story can be repeated.
>
> Does this make any sense to the rest of you? Or am I just being too
> naive? (Now I know at least the Clown will answer Surprised))
>
> Cheers
>
> Davorin

That *is* the premise, IDS 10 releases should *only* have bug fixes in and no new *features* to de-stabilise the product.

Currently ALL customer defects will probably get fixed in 10, whether hit by 1 customer or 100, so it is misleading to just read the
Bug Fix list - imagine reading the Boeing 737 "Outstanding Fixes" document just before getting on a Boeing 737 (like the Cooling
System failover cable is in the same loom as the primary cable - THAT is against failover basics, and can cause the cabin not to be
pressurized causing hypoxia "the creeping death" within 15 minutes). The point being that out of 10,000 flights, one MAY have an
issue (obviously the one I am going to get on).

Anyways, as long as you do LOADS of testing, and report ALL issues that concern you (preferably with a reproducible test case) then
you will be fine Surprised)

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Fernando Nunes

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:25 pm
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Davorin Kremenjas wrote:
> Right,
>
> probably a very lame try to imitate Gumby, but I'll give it a try Smile
>
> I'd like to hear you opinions on this topic, here is mine.
>
> IDS11.50 is around for a good deal time now, _loads_ of new features.
> I can see a lot of them making my DBA life easier so I'm looking to
> upgrade reasonably soon.
>
> On the other hand, running IDS 10.FC8(ish) very stable in production
> with all HDR/ER goodies I'm a happy man. Also, I'm doing regular
> upgrades every time a new patch comes out (looking to roll out
> IDS10.FC9W2 in the next few weeks on all prod instances). But, every
> time I read the release notes/bug fix lists they scare the s**t out of
> me. Too many crashes for my taste for (at least seemingly, R&D please
> don't get offended now) trivial reasons (update stats or whatever).
>
> This makes me conclude the next: IDS10 support is ending in less than
> 2 years (30 Sep 2010 according to IBM website) wouldn't it be nice to
> "freeze" IDS10 code and work ONLY on bug fixes? Whoever wants to trade-
> off features for stability, great, here's 11.50, just upgrade. For the
> rest of us, we'd like to sleep well Smile And in two years time, I'm sure
> v11.50 will be just as stable as v10 is now, we'll have vNext too, so
> the whole story can be repeated.
>
> Does this make any sense to the rest of you? Or am I just being too
> naive? (Now I know at least the Clown will answer Surprised))
>
> Cheers
>
> Davorin

I think you didn't touch some important points in your exposure:
- When you "fix" a bug you may introduce another
- There are new features and new FEATURES. I mean small and big features. IDS
10 has seen small features. Ideally they would not cause critical bugs. To give
you an example, we've seen view folding but not non-blocking checkpoints...
- IBM has a very good practice: When a bug is found in one family it is checked
against all currently supported families. Some bugs you see in the IDS 10 fix
list were probably found in IDS 9.x, 11.10 or 11.5. This can happen because all
families share a lot of code. Also, if a "small" feature can be introduced in
previous families (because some code is shared and the changes are not big)
this benefits lots of customers (who cannot make "big" upgrades - they may
require 3rd party application certification)

Besides this I would not agree with the idea that "IDS 10 is stable because
it's old" and "IDS 11.5 is unstable because it's new". Again with an example:
10.00.xC7 became an "historical release", and not for the good reasons. IDS
10.00.xC8 seems pretty good. I haven't seen big issues with any 11.50.x release
(obviously I know the majority of the customers hasn't upgrade yet).

Regards.

--
Fernando Nunes
Portugal

http://informix-technology.blogspot.com
My email works... but I don't check it frequently...
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Davorin Kremenjas

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:40 am
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On Dec 10, 11:02 pm, Fernando Nunes wrote:

> I think you didn't touch some important points in your exposure:
> - When you "fix" a bug you may introduce another
> - There are new features and new FEATURES. I mean small and big features. IDS
> 10 has seen small features. Ideally they would not cause critical bugs. To give
> you an example, we've seen view folding but not non-blocking checkpoints....
> - IBM has a very good practice: When a bug is found in one family it is checked
> against all currently supported families. Some bugs you see in the IDS 10 fix
> list were probably found in IDS 9.x, 11.10 or 11.5. This can happen because all
> families share a lot of code. Also, if a "small" feature can be introduced in
> previous families (because some code is shared and the changes are not big)
> this benefits lots of customers (who cannot make "big" upgrades - they may
> require 3rd party application certification)
>
> Besides this I would not agree with the idea that "IDS 10 is stable because
> it's old" and "IDS 11.5 is unstable because it's new". Again with an example:
> 10.00.xC7 became an "historical release", and not for the good reasons. IDS
> 10.00.xC8 seems pretty good. I haven't seen big issues with any 11.50.x release
> (obviously I know the majority of the customers hasn't upgrade yet).
>
> Regards.
>
> --
> Fernando Nunes
> Portugal
>
> http://informix-technology.blogspot.com
> My email works... but I don't check it frequently...

Hi Fernando,

thanks for your input, it makes a lot more sense now.

Davorin
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